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and so it's very easy for karl rove to saunter in and say oh, well, we'll stop this. you can't fight something with nothing. he did not back a single winning candidate last year. so what is going to happen? that is the republican party. that's why they win primaries, and the republican party has a more serious problem, which is that's 30% of the country that holds those views, maybe more or less. they can win primaries. they can never win national elections. but what is this republican establishment that rove represents? it's money people. but where are the voters within the republican party. it's not just tea party, it's the real base of the republican party whether they call themselves tea partiers or not. this is what they want. >> i was struck by how unified the reaction against rove was on the right. i mean, all of the influential -- all of the right-wing blogs that are influential enough that a liberal like me knows to go read them. >> right. >> all of them unified with being just disgusted with karl rove for having suggested this. it seems as though this is a v
and so it's very easy for karl rove to saunter in and say oh, well, we'll stop this. you can't fight something with nothing. he did not back a single winning candidate last year. so what is going to happen? that is the republican party. that's why they win primaries, and the republican party has a more serious problem, which is that's 30% of the country that holds those views, maybe more or less. they can win primaries. they can never win national elections. but what is this republican...
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karl rove was the biggest looser of 2012. he lost 10 out of 12 senate seats, lost 4 out of 9 of their house seats, donald trump accused him of blowing $400 million in this, so why would anybody trust karl rove with another dime, number 1? and the real question that i have is how much money is karl rove making out of this deal? i think this is another scam to fatten karl rove's pockets. >> jennifer: that's a really important point that these sort of advisors to these pacs he is probably gets some kind of percentage or direct salary that he is benefitting from enormously. >> exactly. >> jennifer: jason should democrats worry about this or should they exploit this conservative victory project? >> you know, a wise confederate general once said don't get anywhere near a circular firing squad. it's not wise to let the democrats get anywhere near this. and the reality is not only is karl rove simply lining his pockets, but this is the difficult birthing process that any party goes through when they lost consecutive elections. just l
karl rove was the biggest looser of 2012. he lost 10 out of 12 senate seats, lost 4 out of 9 of their house seats, donald trump accused him of blowing $400 million in this, so why would anybody trust karl rove with another dime, number 1? and the real question that i have is how much money is karl rove making out of this deal? i think this is another scam to fatten karl rove's pockets. >> jennifer: that's a really important point that these sort of advisors to these pacs he is probably...
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we are going to talk about that tonight with political analyst karl rove and joe troupe. immigration ended on the skap heap back in 2007. what that i cans it this time around any different? can this actually get done? >> i think it can get done this time. there are a lot of pitfalls but there are a bunch of differences, too. democrats believe the nation is ready for this. polls are showing 77 percent of americans want some kind of immigration reform big immigration reform package out there. the other thing that is different we have someone like marco rubio who has the ability hopefully to pull both traditional republicans as well as tea party republicans together on this issue. >> karl does rubio from the power to unite the repub dlican party? it is fractured and put an issue like immigration with pitfalls it may be tough to pull it together. >> it does. it will be. if there's someone that can do it it's marco rubio. he's the best communicator since ronald reagan. i have been surprised the respectful hearing he's had among many voices who in 2007 were strongly opposed to
we are going to talk about that tonight with political analyst karl rove and joe troupe. immigration ended on the skap heap back in 2007. what that i cans it this time around any different? can this actually get done? >> i think it can get done this time. there are a lot of pitfalls but there are a bunch of differences, too. democrats believe the nation is ready for this. polls are showing 77 percent of americans want some kind of immigration reform big immigration reform package out...
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>> you're talking about karl rove? >> i'm talking about karl rove. >> that is, it seems to me, john heilemann, a good question to ask. you go to karl rove, a guy that just got pasted in this last election. i know karl, i like karl. >> part of the past 20 years. >> he got pasted, and also some conservatives brought up, he was part of the bush administration that people like peg -- i'll say it peggy noonan, myself, others think destroyed the conservative movement by spending us into record debt. >> and you're seeing, you know, the immediate reaction among some parts of the conservative movement, parts of the tea party, more populist part of the party, attacking the group, saying that he's the karl rove and his allies, they have a bad record to run on and that they're deviating from the principles of true conservatism and they want to back sellouts. i think the main thing you're going to see over the course of this next cycle is a further deepening of the schism between the two kind of pieces of the republican party. the
>> you're talking about karl rove? >> i'm talking about karl rove. >> that is, it seems to me, john heilemann, a good question to ask. you go to karl rove, a guy that just got pasted in this last election. i know karl, i like karl. >> part of the past 20 years. >> he got pasted, and also some conservatives brought up, he was part of the bush administration that people like peg -- i'll say it peggy noonan, myself, others think destroyed the conservative movement by...
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karl rove joins us. nice to see you, karl. >> thanksers greta. >> greta: the jury is still not back so we know how everybody feels about it but the change in rule does leave out the private business owners who for maybe strong religious conviction don't want to pay for contraception. is this change going to be a good idea for everybody or put the lid on the problems? >> well, we need to see the exact wording of the rule and see its full implications. i think this may be a strategic retreat on the part of the administration. if you are a catholic university like ava maria university which filed suit not to be required as an explicitly roman catholic institution to violate its precipes you were liking to win the lawsuit. if you were the archdiocese or a church or a church-related institution you had probably a pretty good first amendment chance of winning that. the administration may have decided having won the point for political value in the campaign now is the time to retreat before it lost it in court.
karl rove joins us. nice to see you, karl. >> thanksers greta. >> greta: the jury is still not back so we know how everybody feels about it but the change in rule does leave out the private business owners who for maybe strong religious conviction don't want to pay for contraception. is this change going to be a good idea for everybody or put the lid on the problems? >> well, we need to see the exact wording of the rule and see its full implications. i think this may be a...
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just want to -- a quick word i mention to susan page about karl rove forming this new pac. it's called the conservative victory fund. and last year, karl rove had such a disastrous record that he spent $400 million lost the presidency they lost ten out of 12 senate races. they lost four out of nine house races. all of that money spent against democrats so now he's going to form yet another pac and spend this money in the republican primaries against republicans that he doesn't like, particularly tea party members he doesn't like. i love satisfying republicans eat each other alive. but i think this does pose a couple of important questions. number one after his record of blowing $400 million last year, why would anybody trust karl rove with a dime? and two, i want to know -- i want to know, damn it, how much money is karl rove making off these super pacs. you know he's not working for nothing. i'll get he's getting 10%. i'll bet he got $40 million out of that super pac last year. now he wants even more. >> announcer: this is the "bill press show." armed with the facts, and t
just want to -- a quick word i mention to susan page about karl rove forming this new pac. it's called the conservative victory fund. and last year, karl rove had such a disastrous record that he spent $400 million lost the presidency they lost ten out of 12 senate races. they lost four out of nine house races. all of that money spent against democrats so now he's going to form yet another pac and spend this money in the republican primaries against republicans that he doesn't like,...
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how dare karl rove and his money guys try to do any such thing. and so yes, paul broun and steve king may be the prototypical examples of the kind of off the cooke end candidates that karl rove and the big money guys do not want in republican politics, because those are the kind of guys that lose senate seats that are otherwise winnable. but karl rove and his money guys kind of stand alone in that assessment. the rest of the party wants that. they want those guys. and they want it not naively. they know what they are getting. steve king and paul broun have been around for a long time. when the party stands up and says these are the guys they want, they know who they're talking about. they know who these guys are. and it is what they choose. so if you were a republican party stalwart, if you were part of the republican party and you loved the republican party and you wanted what was best for the republican party, what would you do at a time like this? what would you say? how would you try to fix this problem? well, today in washington house majorit
how dare karl rove and his money guys try to do any such thing. and so yes, paul broun and steve king may be the prototypical examples of the kind of off the cooke end candidates that karl rove and the big money guys do not want in republican politics, because those are the kind of guys that lose senate seats that are otherwise winnable. but karl rove and his money guys kind of stand alone in that assessment. the rest of the party wants that. they want those guys. and they want it not naively....
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we will get answers from karl rove and joe troop. [ male announcer ] coughequence™ #8. waking the baby. [ coughs ] [ baby crying ] ♪ [ male announcer ] robitussin® liquid formula soothes your throat on contact and the active ingredient relieves your cough. robitussin®. don't suffer the coughequences™. [ bop ] [ bop ] [ bop ] you can do that all you want, i don't like v8 juice. [ male announcer ] how about v8 v-fusion. a full serving of vegetables, a full serving of fruit. but what you taste is the fruit. so even you... could've had a v8. [ ship horn blows ] no, no, no! stop! humans. one day we're coming up with the theory of relativity, the next... not so much. but that's okay -- you're covered with great ideas like optional better car replacement from liberty mutual insurance. total your car and we give you the money to buy one a model year newer. learn about it at libertymutual.com. liberty mutual insurance. responsibility. what's your policy? >> a politically polarized washington is making noise about a bipartisan effort to fix the nation's immigration system.
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look, karl rove is -- this is sort of classic karl rove where on the face of it, it looks like what he's doing is, as you suggest, you know, very sort of self-beneficial. he ends up being someone who benefits from this, but at the same time it's something, as i said before, it's something that the republican party needs to do. the republican party cannot afford to have steve israel run for senate and lose -- >> you mean steve king? >> say that again? i'm sorry, steve king. >> steve israel, democrat -- >> yes. >> karl rove likes to pretend it was todd akin and richard mourdock who lost the election but wasn't it george w. bush, the monster to karl rove's dr. frankenstein who lost the election for republicans? >> well, he certainly did his part. i would -- as did karl rove. >> exactly. >> wouldn't you love to be in the meetings with donors when the donor says tell us what you've been up to recently, karl? what races have you won? that's going ton an interesting meeting. more importantly, one of the things i find so interesting, there's an element of chickens coming home to roost because wh
look, karl rove is -- this is sort of classic karl rove where on the face of it, it looks like what he's doing is, as you suggest, you know, very sort of self-beneficial. he ends up being someone who benefits from this, but at the same time it's something, as i said before, it's something that the republican party needs to do. the republican party cannot afford to have steve israel run for senate and lose -- >> you mean steve king? >> say that again? i'm sorry, steve king. >>...
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details on a "the new york times" report that karl rove plans to make sure candidates don't become the nominees in key senate races. nbc's first read team says it is going to be ugly. >>> plus, police say they're doing, quote, everything humanly possible to end the hostage standoff in alabama that's now in the seventh day. neighbors are now even collecting birthday cards for the little boy being held in that underground bunker. he turns 6 this week. former negotiator clint van zant will join me. >>> first, officials rule out one cause of the super bowl blackout. the sudden power outage in the game's second half not caused by electrical work done in december. that was one of the theories. power company and the company that manages the super dome says it originated where a power line meets the dome's electrical system. ravens coach john harbaugh said he was stunned but proud of the team's handling of the delay. >> it was just crazy. we haven't seen that one before. it was new. changed the complexion. they did a great job and changed momentum. they swung and wasn't the lights or the power
details on a "the new york times" report that karl rove plans to make sure candidates don't become the nominees in key senate races. nbc's first read team says it is going to be ugly. >>> plus, police say they're doing, quote, everything humanly possible to end the hostage standoff in alabama that's now in the seventh day. neighbors are now even collecting birthday cards for the little boy being held in that underground bunker. he turns 6 this week. former negotiator clint...
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karl rove and american crossroads launch an initiative to take down extreme candidates. how will it impact the party and the democrats' chances against them? hello! how sharp is your business security? can it help protect your people and property, while keeping out threats to your operations? it's not working! yes it is. welcome to tyco integrated security. with world-class monitoring centers and thousands of qualified technicians. we've got a personal passion to help your business run safer, smarter, and sharper. we are tyco integrated security. and we are sharper. so if ydead battery,t tire, need a tow or lock your keys in the car, geico's emergency roadside assistance is there 24/7. oh dear, i got a flat tire. hmmm. uh... yeah, can you find a take where it's a bit more dramatic on that last line, yeah? yeah i got it right here. someone help me!!! i have a flat tire!!! well it's good... good for me. what do you think? geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. otherworldly things. but there are some things i've never seen before. th
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karl rove wants to keep the fringies. and things like clinton did with school uniforms. and tell college students the jobs might be tough. what about the gun issue? should the republicans stick with the nra or tell wayne lapierre to get a real job? how could a party built other the decades on the people who left the democrats abandon those issues that attracted the rule south and the west people and the miners and the ranchers and the gun owners. and the people furious about immigration. how do you ban those people and keep a party? tonight an expert, a passionate believer that politics can get better. my colleague joe scarborough. here's the question. how do you keep this huge tent the republican party has built in the last 30 or 40 years with people from the south, the west, the miners, the ranchers, the religious right, all those people that have decided the republican party is their natural home and yet you have people in the fringe costing you your image. >> well, you've got to stand up to people on the fringe. you know, when parties go extreme they get roundly defe
karl rove wants to keep the fringies. and things like clinton did with school uniforms. and tell college students the jobs might be tough. what about the gun issue? should the republicans stick with the nra or tell wayne lapierre to get a real job? how could a party built other the decades on the people who left the democrats abandon those issues that attracted the rule south and the west people and the miners and the ranchers and the gun owners. and the people furious about immigration. how do...
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gop donors are turning to karl rove to help weed out far right candidates in upcoming races. really? isn't he the guy who blew $300 million in the last election? whose super pac had a 1% success rate? yeah, that guy. and, boy is the tea party upset. freedom works slammed rove's group saying the empire is striking back. calling him orwellian. it's full-on gop warfare. it's gop civil war. joining me now is michael steele and dana millbank. thank you both for coming on the show tonight. >> good to see you, rev. >> michael, karl rove to save the party from the tea party, do you buy it? >> no, i don't. and i don't think many of the not just tea parties, but grass roots conservatives will. instead of taking those dollars out of the states and hunkering them down here in a newly created super pac in washington, how about investing in the state party organizations around the country to help them build the farm team that is going to be required to win in the future. this is not an overnight success deal, reverend. you cannot come from the s shellacking of '06 and '12 and throw dollars
gop donors are turning to karl rove to help weed out far right candidates in upcoming races. really? isn't he the guy who blew $300 million in the last election? whose super pac had a 1% success rate? yeah, that guy. and, boy is the tea party upset. freedom works slammed rove's group saying the empire is striking back. calling him orwellian. it's full-on gop warfare. it's gop civil war. joining me now is michael steele and dana millbank. thank you both for coming on the show tonight. >>...
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rove is trying to do. >> the fringiness. the fringies being upset by the establishment. really quick here, lori montgomery. boston globe reporting there might be a romney that gets in this senate race. do you think that's realistic or silliness? >> you know, i can't imagine that the romneys -- >> your tone says it all. >> are up for another one of these. >> who do you have, ravens-49ers? >> i'm an eagles fan, so once they're not in contention, i stop paying attention. i got to go with the ravens, see ray lewis finish on top. >> lori? >> if playoff joe flacco shows up, i think the ravens win. if regular season joe flacco shows up, not so much. >> thanks to both of you. just over to hours from kickoff down in the big easy and also two hours from the biggest of the year in advertising as well. we'll give you a preview of the ads to watch for in between the plays. first, though, a teenage girl just back from her trip to washington to perform with president obama's inauguration gunned down in chicago. a senseless tragedy that put
rove is trying to do. >> the fringiness. the fringies being upset by the establishment. really quick here, lori montgomery. boston globe reporting there might be a romney that gets in this senate race. do you think that's realistic or silliness? >> you know, i can't imagine that the romneys -- >> your tone says it all. >> are up for another one of these. >> who do you have, ravens-49ers? >> i'm an eagles fan, so once they're not in contention, i stop paying...
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. >>> plus the pack men, karl rove's new plan to pour cold water on the tea party and keep senate seats in the republican column. today's politics planner, as you can see, former president clinton will be speaking at ed koch's funeral, president obama is off to minneapolis and chris christie hits letterman. [ male announcer ] let's say you pay your guy around 2% to manage your money. that's not much, you think. except it's 2% every year. go to e-trade and find out how much our advice and guidance costs. spoiler alert: it's low. it's guidance on your terms, not ours. e-trade. less for us. more for you. more "likes." more tweets. so, beginning today, my son brock and his whole team will be our new senior social media strategists. any questions? since we make radiator valves wouldn't it be better if we just let fedex help us to expand to new markets? hmm gotta admit that's better than a few "likes." i don't have the door code. who's that? he won a contest online to be ceo for the day. how am i supposed to run a business here without an office?! [ male announcer ] fast, reliable deliveries
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was exposed for the -- always so all powerful, karl rove. scary. he is a sad pathetic, little wrong man on election flight sputtering. anyway, this is what caused all of the trouble. fight, fight fight. >> love this. >> stephanie: shoving each other into the lockers. leaders of the tea party fuming about plans by some republican strategists including karl rove to raise money to help quote-unquote electable candidates win primary races. leaders of the tea party and other republican groups that oppose abortion and gay rights responded by calling rove a fake conservative who had declared war on the tea party. fight, fight fight fight! seriously, kids, don't fight. you're both equally wrong about everything. it doesn't really matter how this comes out. >> stephanie: first public glimpse inside a power struggle inside the republican party. bloomberg writes in wake of the epic november loss, the riff could lead to more costly republican primaries. fight, fight, fight! brent boseel says their idea of the most electable presidential candidate was mi
was exposed for the -- always so all powerful, karl rove. scary. he is a sad pathetic, little wrong man on election flight sputtering. anyway, this is what caused all of the trouble. fight, fight fight. >> love this. >> stephanie: shoving each other into the lockers. leaders of the tea party fuming about plans by some republican strategists including karl rove to raise money to help quote-unquote electable candidates win primary races. leaders of the tea party and other republican...
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. >>> red rover, karl rove's new push to score some winners is getting pushback from powerful conservative groups. this morning, a debate between one of rove's point men and one of his top critics. >>> and who do you know? and do you know who this guy is? you should. he just might be the most powerful person in israeli politics not named netanyahu right now. find out what an unexpected power surge from the center could mean for u.s. hopes for mideast peace. >>> good morning from washington. it's tuesday, february 5th, 2013. this is "the daily rundown." i'm chuck todd. let's get to my first reads. president obama's state of the union address is just a week from today and the president is flooding the zone. worried the federal budget could dominate and limit his agenda this year. he's pushing other issues. he's talking guns one day, immigration the next. making sure he's not drawn into a standoff with republicans over the economy which would quickly come to define his second term. today, he makes the case on immigration to business leaders, including ceos like steve case and monica lozano fr
. >>> red rover, karl rove's new push to score some winners is getting pushback from powerful conservative groups. this morning, a debate between one of rove's point men and one of his top critics. >>> and who do you know? and do you know who this guy is? you should. he just might be the most powerful person in israeli politics not named netanyahu right now. find out what an unexpected power surge from the center could mean for u.s. hopes for mideast peace. >>> good...
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. >>> karl rove has a new super pac but it's not being used against democrats. check out the headline. rove declares war on tea party. after embarrassing senate defeats in missouri and indiana, rove's american crossroads has created the conservative victory project. that's a group the "new york times" says will back candidates and incumbents from challenges by far right conservatives and the tea party. let's bring in former democratic congressman from pennsylvania, retired navy admiral joe sestak and we're also joined by republican strategist and former santorum senior strategist, john brabender. here's what steven law, president of american crossroads said. quote, there is a broad concern about having blown a significant number of races because the wrong candidates were selected. we don't view ourselves as being in the incumbent protection business but we want to pick the most conservative candidate who can win, end quote. is he right there, or is this an act of war like breitbart says in the headline? >> i don't think it's an act of war. what they're saying is
. >>> karl rove has a new super pac but it's not being used against democrats. check out the headline. rove declares war on tea party. after embarrassing senate defeats in missouri and indiana, rove's american crossroads has created the conservative victory project. that's a group the "new york times" says will back candidates and incumbents from challenges by far right conservatives and the tea party. let's bring in former democratic congressman from pennsylvania, retired...
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former president wash adviser karl rove is here with us next. gregg: a little boy in alabama still being held hostage. this is the 7th day as new details emerge about this suspect. >> we can't physically do anything. all we can do is meet up and pray. >> he's coming out. we don't know when and we won't know why probably. when vegetabls reach the peak of perfection. the vegetables do. at green giant, we pk vegetables only when they're perfect. then freeze them fast so they're are as nutritious as fresh. [ green giant ] ho ho ho. ♪ green giant but they have to use special care in keeping the denture clean. dentures are very different to real teeth. they're about 10 times softer and may have surface pores where bacteria can multiply. polident is designed to clean dentures daily. its unique micro-clean formula kills 99.99% of odor causing bacteria and helps dissolve stains, cleaning in a better way than brushing with toothpaste. that's why i recommend using polident. [ male announcer ] polident. cleaner, fresher, brighter every day. gregg: a tragi
former president wash adviser karl rove is here with us next. gregg: a little boy in alabama still being held hostage. this is the 7th day as new details emerge about this suspect. >> we can't physically do anything. all we can do is meet up and pray. >> he's coming out. we don't know when and we won't know why probably. when vegetabls reach the peak of perfection. the vegetables do. at green giant, we pk vegetables only when they're perfect. then freeze them fast so they're are as...
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i think you'll see, you know, the new karl rove group, as you will, the new conservative party influence recruitment of candidates that speak across -- you know, that appeal to a broader group of people. >> right. >> but the point here, i think there's sort of three things. you mentioned this. there's people in candidate recruitment, right? which is like don't recruit people who say wildly offensive things about rape, that is a new principle for candidate recruitment. then there's the ideal center of where the party is and then there's the tactical choices made about cooperation. >> do you think there's changes at one and three, but not a lot of changes at two. >> so i want to talk about which of those three things are changing after we take this break. ladybug body milk? no thanks. [ female announcer ] stop searching and start repairing. eucerin professional repair moisturizes while actually repairing very dry skin. it's so powerful you can skip a day... but light enough you won't want to. dermatologist recommended eucerin. the end of trial and error has arrived. try a free sample at eu
i think you'll see, you know, the new karl rove group, as you will, the new conservative party influence recruitment of candidates that speak across -- you know, that appeal to a broader group of people. >> right. >> but the point here, i think there's sort of three things. you mentioned this. there's people in candidate recruitment, right? which is like don't recruit people who say wildly offensive things about rape, that is a new principle for candidate recruitment. then there's...
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one person who liked cantor's speech was karl rove. he promoted it on twitter as it was all unfolding. bob, is rove trying to become the architect of the party again? and of course he is going at it on the right-wingers as well. >> well, he doesn't have much choice, you know. he set up this new effort in american crossroads to try to influence gop primaries. and i'm not in the business of defending karl rove. but if i could take a leaf from gene robinson's book and say this is a kind of step that makes sense if you want to elect republicans. but the problem is with the dominance of the tea party types, the religious right, and a lot of these states you're going to see more republican nominees who are going to lose winnable races. rove wants to change that, although he is the one who contributed to creating it at almost every level over a long period of years. >> eugene robinson, bob shrum, great to have you on the program tonight. thank you so much for joining us. >>> remember to answer tonight's question there at the bottom of the scr
one person who liked cantor's speech was karl rove. he promoted it on twitter as it was all unfolding. bob, is rove trying to become the architect of the party again? and of course he is going at it on the right-wingers as well. >> well, he doesn't have much choice, you know. he set up this new effort in american crossroads to try to influence gop primaries. and i'm not in the business of defending karl rove. but if i could take a leaf from gene robinson's book and say this is a kind of...